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Re: Cousinly and Juvenile love

From: N Wolcott <nwolcott~at~dsdial.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:27:35 -0400
To: "Jules Verne Forum" <jvf~at~Gilead.org.il>

And I have heard that in England the cousinly practice was to keep money and
property "within the family" or at least within a defined kinship group.
Norm Wolcott nwolcott2~at~post.harvard.edu
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raymond Macon" <maconr~at~speakeasy.net>
To: "'Jules Verne Forum'" <jvf~at~Gilead.org.il>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: Cousinly and Juvenile love


> With respect to "cousinly" marriage, in the USA that varies from state to
> state. Some states ban first cousin marriage unless there is at least one
> degree of removal, I believe. Others have no such restrictions. And the
> "full faith and measure" clause in the American Constitution would even
> allow first cousin marriage to be recognized if the couple married in a
> state that had no such prohibition and subsequently moved to one that had.
> In such cases, the marriage is legally binding throughout the American
> Union. It was the "full faith and measure" clause that allowed
interracial
> couples to have their marriages legally recognized in states that had
> formally banned them. Such couples simply married in another state before
> moving to the state that would not allow such ceremonies. Then, in 1967,
> the U.S. Supreme Court struck down all laws banning interracial marriages,
> rendering the matter moot.
>
> Raymond
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-jvf~at~Gilead.org.il [mailto:owner-jvf~at~Gilead.org.il] On Behalf
Of
> thomas mccormick
> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 1:38 PM
> To: jvf~at~Gilead.org.il
> Subject: Re: Cousinly and Juvenile love
>
> Historically, the "age of consent" laws in force in the USA would have
been
> considered anomalous and weird in most societies of the past. I dont know
to
> what extent this observation applies to the current laws of other
countries.
>
> There is a surprisingly large number of married couples in the USA in
which
> the husband was convicted of "statutory rape" (a.k.a. "sex with a person
who
> had not attained the age of consent"), and the wife was the "victim",
having
> married her "[statutory] rapist" as soon as it became legal for her to do
> so. It has been argued that the "age of consent" law is unnecessarily
> interfering in private matters. In Nebraska at this moment, there is a
case
> pending, in which the preponderance of members of both families are in
favor
> of the proposed marriage.
>
> Also, one of the people who was interviewed by Alfred Kinsey was in prison
> for this crime, having committed it on a woman of 15; he had been born in
> some foreign country; I think it was Mexico. He told Kinsey he couldn't
> understand what he'd done wrong because his mother had been only 14 when
he
> was born!
>
> It has been argued, indeed, that contemporary Western society prolongs
> adolescence (and non-adult legal status) to a degree that would have been
> considered ludicrous in most epochs. Whether this is good or bad is of
> course an abstract philosophical question. The question here is: to what
> extent are our ideas of childhood and adulthood typical of the time during
> which Verne was writing?
>
> (Of course, we must also consider the extent to which marriage in past
> epochs was a "business arrangement" between families, and governed by
> parental consent rather than the choice of the spouses.)
>
> Tom McCormick
>
>
> >From: Jan Rychlík <jan.rychlik~at~seznam.cz>
> >Reply-To: Jules Verne Forum <jvf~at~Gilead.org.il>
> >To: Jules Verne Forum <jvf~at~Gilead.org.il>
> >Subject: Re:Cousinly and Juvenile love
> >Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:44:45 +0200 (CEST)
> >
> > > Axel in Centre of the Earth appears to be only 17 when dreaming of
> > > seducing his cousin Grauben, who must be 15. Jenny Halliburt in the
> >Blockade
> > > Runners is only 15 when she marries Crockston. In an era when men
> > > often
> >married
> > > at 40 might not Verne's heroes be charged with rape or corruption
> > > of
> >minors?
> >
> >I think this was pretty normal then. Girls get married at 15 (sometimes

> >with men at 40).
> >
> >Sincerely
> >
> >Jan Rychlik
>
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