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Re: Inquiry re chromotypographs and photographs in the in-8 Hetzels

From: BGYKrauth <BGYKrauth~at~t-online.de>
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:48:51 +0200
To: "Jules Verne Forum" <jvf~at~gilead.org.il>

Dear Volker and All,

thanks for the additional informations. I re - checked my Strogoff and have to correct my date: it looks like that the edition is from 1894 and not from 1884. So it looks right what Volker said.
The number of chromos is various: a lot of the novels have 6 per single volume and 12 per double volume, usualy plus the maps included in chromo, The later re-illustrated novels are containing also less chromos, like "Strogoff" (8 chromos), "Autour de la lune" (4 chromos), "Nord contre Sud" (6 chromos) etc...sometimes 4, 5, 6 or 8 chromos, very different. I do not know if generally or only in some éditions.
 
Brgds

Bernhard

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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: volker dehs
  To: Jules Verne Forum
  Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:39 AM
  Subject: Re: Inquiry re chromotypographs and photographs in the in-8 Hetzels


  Dear Terry and all,

  the first coloured illustration added to an original Verne text was the map (made by "chromolithographie") of "Deux Ans de vacances" (1888). There were none in he 1889 novels, but "12 grandes gravures en chromotypographie et 2 grandes cartes en chromolithographie" in "César Cascabel" (1890). Up to te books appearing to 1910, there were always 5 or 6 chromos per vol., hors pagination, whereas the same illustrations appearing before in the "Magasin d'Éducation et de Récréation" are not coloured - generally, because I have a Magasin with "P'tit-Bonhomme", including the chromos.

  Bernhard mentioned a newprint of Strogoff of around 1884, but I'm not sure if Hetzel began to join coloured illustrations before 1890. After this date, some of the old illustrations "in-texte" of the novels pblished before were enlarged and coloured, too.

  Some newprints of old novels got entirely new illustrations in the coloured manner beween 1892 and 1904. Here's he list:

  Hatteras (1895) : 6 ill. (not really new)
  De la Terre à la Lune (1897) : 4 by Roux
  Chancellor (1902): 1 by Benett
  Hector Servadac (around 1902): 6 by Roux
  Strogoff (1892) : 8 ll. (not really new, I think)
  Indes noires (1902) 1 ill + 1 phot.
  Capitaine de 15 ans (1895): 6 by Meyer
  500 Millions (1902): 4 by Benett
  Tribulations d'un Chinois (1902): 3 by A.B.
  Maison à vapeur (1901): 6 by Benett
  Jangada (1901): 6 by Benett
  Kéraban (1900): 6 by Benett
  Robur (1902): 1 by Benett

  These new editions were not very high, only 500 tu ca. 2.500 copies.

  But Terry wrote also on photographs. We must know that the artists always made many oftheir landscape illustrations after other illus (of the revue "Le Tour du monde", for example) and photographs Hetzel searched all in the world. With new technics, it was easier and cheaper to publish these photographs directly (from 1899 on). In same time and even earlier, Hetzel renounced to reproduce the original "gouaches" (water-colours and drawings) of his artists by engravers. So they, too, were rendered by photographic procedures. First examples are to be found in "Cascabel" to become the normal or predominating procedure after 1895.

  A great number of published and unpublished original water-colours are still in some private collections and in the Hetzel/Hachette archives of the IMEC (Institut de la mémoire des éditions contemporaines) at Paris.

  For further investigations, there ist still much to be done.

  Vours, Volker

  Yours, Volker

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Jules Verne Forum <jvf~at~Gilead.org.il>
> Gesendet: 25.04.06 07:58:20
> An: "Jules Verne Forum" <jvf~at~Gilead.org.il>
> Betreff: Re: Inquiry re chromotypographs and photographs in the in-8 Hetzels


> Hallo,
>
>
>
> chromotypographie was realized the first time about 1877/1878 (http://www.answers.com/topic/eug-ne-grasset) by Eugène Samuel Grasset, and created by the photgraveur Charles Gillot shortly before. On a german website (http://www.g26.ch/art_grasset.html) I found this additional information saying also that the first publication using chromotypography was "Le petit Nab" in 1877 / 1878 , but not indicating of what writer.
>
>
>
> I have a couple of Hetzel contain ing chromos to see at www.jules-verne-club.de/kaleidoskop/chromotographien_01.html
>
> The oldest I can determine is the Michael Strogoff of about 1884. So the first use of this coloured illustrations by Hetzel have to be fixed in the range of 1878 to 1884
>
>
> Brgds
>
>
>
> Bernhard
>
>
>
> mail from:
>
> Bernhard Krauth
>
> have a look at:
>
>
>
> www.jules-verne.eu
>
>
>
> www.jules-verne-club.de
>
> www.bernhard-krauth.de
>
> www.bremerhavenpilot.de
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Arthur B. Evans
>
> To: Jules Verne Forum
>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 2:02 AM
>
> Subject: Re: Inquiry re chromotypographs and photographs in the in-8 Hetzels
>
>
> Hi Terry,
>
> I don't think any scholar has done a comprehensive inventory of these. Most
> studies of Verne's illustrations (like those listed in Note 13 and the Works
> Cited of my article on Zvi's site at http://jv.gilead.org.il/evans/illustr/)
> don't seem to distinguish between "gravures," "dessins," "illustrations,"
> and "chromotypographies" when discussing them.
>
> I'm not sure when the "chromotypographies" began appearing in the in-8
> Hetzel editions, but I would guess that it wasn't until the late 1880s or
> early 1890s. Somebody who has a complete collection of Hetzel octavos might
> be able to pin this down for you, as well as the exact number of "chromos"
> appearing in each later novel.
>
> All best,
> Art
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Terry Harpold" <tharpold~at~english.ufl.edu>
> To: "Jules Verne Forum Forum" <jvf~at~Gilead.org.il>
> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 4:01 PM
> Subject: Inquiry re chromotypographs and photographs in the in-8 Hetzels
>
>
> > Dear colleagues,
> >
> > Can anyone on the list recommend a study -- an article or book, in
> > English or French -- of the chromotypographs and photographs used as
> > illustrations in the Hetzel grands octavos? Is there a comprehensive list
> > anywhere of the works in which chromotypographs and photographs appeared?
> > My impression is that they became more common in the later works, but I
> > am not sure of this...
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > TH
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------
> > Terry Harpold
> > Assistant Professor
> > Department of English
> > University of Florida
> >
> > <tharpold~at~acm.org>
> > <tharpold~at~english.ufl.edu>
> > <http://www.english.ufl.edu/~tharpold>
> >
> > "Reading in no way obliges you to understand."
> >
> >
>

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