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Re: No Hetzels from Google

From: <1001~at~atlanticbb.net>
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:29:04 -0400
To: "Jules Verne Forum" <jvf~at~gilead.org.il>

I don't know how google works, maybe someone elxe out there does. This is
what I have found.

If you search by author 1860-1930, language French You will get a long list
of books. From what I have seen these include almost all the first edition
Hetzels right up through the Barsac mission. The only one which is Full View
is Sans dessus dessous , 1888, the first edition, from Harvard College
Library. Harvard College was one of the first to "partner" with google, so
google probably hadn't got their French policies in line by the time that
one was scanned. If you poke around a bit you can find whether the book has
been scanned or not. If you search on "words in this book" and get some
snippets back, that means the book has been scanned, even though you can't
see it. Some books come back "no preview" which can either mean they have
forbidden it or have logged the book iinto their system but decided not to
scan it. If you search on words in the book from the start you may get some
books with "snippet view" allowed. Little snippets of the text you searched
on will appear. This means google has full scanned the book, (they have to
to respond to your text question and ocr'ed the book) but that you are not
going to be able to see the text. Most of the Hetzels I found were scanned
from the Bodleian Library at Oxford who have almost all of the French
originals..

Since communicaation with google is a one way street (except for reviews I
leave panning their no view policy on Verne books), I sent the Bodleian an
"ask the librarian a question" query. I will forward their reply in a
separate post.

The reply did state that they hope eventually to put links in OLIS to the
google books, but did not respond to question about full view or not of non
copyright works. I did read somewhere that Google adopted a standard policy
of 150 years for public domain outside US, but don't know if that is correct
or not. I think it is life plus 70 in EU land.

Internet Archive, although much smaller, does not play these games.

nwolcott2~at~post.harvard.edu
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan Rychlmk" <jan.rychlik~at~seznam.cz>
To: "Jules Verne Forum" <jvf~at~Gilead.org.il>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:57 AM
Subject: Re: No Hetzels from Google


> Dear Bill,
> it is not just the awful Google, Czech nat4l library too seems to have
problems with reading our copyright law and thus disallows distant access to
some of digitalised newspapers or Verne translations from 1870s, even though
1880s items are free to download. Probably the copyright law in continetal
Europe is constructed the way to be unclear and ambiguous.
> Jan
>
> > ------------ Pyvodnm zprava ------------
> > Od: wbutcher <wbutcher~at~netvigator.com>
> > Pxedmlt: Re: No Hetzels from Google
> > Datum: 21.8.2008 03:57:06
> > ----------------------------------------
> > Google caved in to the Peking censorship bullies, now it looks as though
> > they're scared of the French copyright hit-squads, however wrong-headed.
> > Where will it all stop? Will we be allowed to quote Racine? Or translate
the
> > Koran?
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > http://home.netvigator.com/~wbutcher/
> >
> > 1A, Kai Kuk Shue Ha, Luk Keng, NT, HONG KONG
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: owner-jvf~at~Gilead.org.il [mailto:owner-jvf~at~Gilead.org.il] On Behalf
Of
> > 1001~at~atlanticbb.net
> > Sent: 20 August 2008 21:59
> > To: Jules Verne Forum
> > Subject: No Hetzels from Google
> >
> >
> >
> > Google has digitized many Hetzels from the Univ of Michigan Library, but
> > because they were originally published in France they have decided not
to
> > display any of them in full text, apparently for copyright reasons.
> > Curiously this policy does not seem to apply to books published in
English
> > in England from the same period.
> >
> >
> >
> > nwolcott2~at~post.harvard.edu
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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