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Re: No Hetzels from Google

From: James Keeline <keeline~at~yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:06:59 -0700 (PDT)
To: Jules Verne Forum <jvf~at~gilead.org.il>

I don't know about the Hetzel Verne issue. However, many other books have been
scanned and are simply blocked or have the useless "snippet" view. This
includes pre-1923 issues of Publishers' Weekly (an American trade journal) and
others which should be public domain.

The letter from the librarian suggested that the items were scanned and that
they did not express a concern over the scanning process harming the books.
Google is fairly secretive about exactly how they can scan so many books in a
given interval but it is likely that the scanning device is similar to the ones
sold by http://www.atiz.com including the BookDrive DIY and BookSnap. Take a
look at the videos where the device is demonstrated.

http://booksnap.atiz.com

James



--- "rick1walter~at~comcast.net" <rick1walter~at~comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Norm--
>
> Have you enquired as to whether the AGE of the Hetzels might have a bearing
> on the reluctance of some libraries to have their copies scanned? Many
> institutions would be concerned about the process itself being a possible
> source of damage to their 19th century holdings. This, rather than
> copyright issues, might be the key factor. Have you asked about this?
>
> Best,
> Rick Walter
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: 1001~at~atlanticbb.net
> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:29:04 -0400
> To: jvf~at~Gilead.org.il
> Subject: Re: No Hetzels from Google
>
>
> I don't know how google works, maybe someone elxe out there does. This is
> what I have found.
>
> If you search by author 1860-1930, language French You will get a long list
> of books. From what I have seen these include almost all the first edition
> Hetzels right up through the Barsac mission. The only one which is Full View
> is Sans dessus dessous , 1888, the first edition, from Harvard College
> Library. Harvard College was one of the first to "partner" with google, so
> google probably hadn't got their French policies in line by the time that
> one was scanned. If you poke around a bit you can find whether the book has
> been scanned or not. If you search on "words in this book" and get some
> snippets back, that means the book has been scanned, even though you can't
> see it. Some books come back "no preview" which can either mean they have
> forbidden it or have logged the book iinto their system but decided not to
> scan it. If you search on words in the book from the start you may get some
> books with "snippet view" allowed. Little snippets of the text you searched
> on will appear. This means google has full scanned the book, (they have to
> to respond to your text question and ocr'ed the book) but that you are not
> going to be able to see the text. Most of the Hetzels I found were scanned
> from the Bodleian Library at Oxford who have almost all of the French
> originals..
>
> Since communicaation with google is a one way street (except for reviews I
> leave panning their no view policy on Verne books), I sent the Bodleian an
> "ask the librarian a question" query. I will forward their reply in a
> separate post.
>
> The reply did state that they hope eventually to put links in OLIS to the
> google books, but did not respond to question about full view or not of non
> copyright works. I did read somewhere that Google adopted a standard policy
> of 150 years for public domain outside US, but don't know if that is correct
> or not. I think it is life plus 70 in EU land.
>
> Internet Archive, although much smaller, does not play these games.
>
> nwolcott2~at~post.harvard.edu
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jan Rychlmk" <jan.rychlik~at~seznam.cz>
> To: "Jules Verne Forum" <jvf~at~Gilead.org.il>
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:57 AM
> Subject: Re: No Hetzels from Google
>
>
> > Dear Bill,
> > it is not just the awful Google, Czech nat4l library too seems to have
> problems with reading our copyright law and thus disallows distant access to
> some of digitalised newspapers or Verne translations from 1870s, even though
> 1880s items are free to download. Probably the copyright law in continetal
> Europe is constructed the way to be unclear and ambiguous.
> > Jan
> >
> > > ------------ Pyvodnm zprava ------------
> > > Od: wbutcher <wbutcher~at~netvigator.com>
> > > Pxedmlt: Re: No Hetzels from Google
> > > Datum: 21.8.2008 03:57:06
> > > ----------------------------------------
> > > Google caved in to the Peking censorship bullies, now it looks as though
> > > they're scared of the French copyright hit-squads, however wrong-headed.
> > > Where will it all stop? Will we be allowed to quote Racine? Or translate
> the
> > > Koran?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > http://home.netvigator.com/~wbutcher/
> > >
> > > 1A, Kai Kuk Shue Ha, Luk Keng, NT, HONG KONG
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: owner-jvf~at~Gilead.org.il [mailto:owner-jvf~at~Gilead.org.il] On Behalf
> Of
> > > 1001~at~atlanticbb.net
> > > Sent: 20 August 2008 21:59
> > > To: Jules Verne Forum
> > > Subject: No Hetzels from Google
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Google has digitized many Hetzels from the Univ of Michigan Library, but
> > > because they were originally published in France they have decided not
> to
> > > display any of them in full text, apparently for copyright reasons.
> > > Curiously this policy does not seem to apply to books published in
> English
> > > in England from the same period.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > nwolcott2~at~post.harvard.edu
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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