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Re: No Hetzels from Google

From: <1001~at~atlanticbb.net>
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:53:00 -0400
To: "Jules Verne Forum" <jvf~at~gilead.org.il>

Perhaps I did not make myself clear; I was talking about the books which
google had scanned, that is the library had already decided the book was
suitable for scanning. For example "Hector Servadac".published by hetzel,
1877, original from Oxford University, digitized Feb 15, 2007, 395 pages.
But the book is only available in "snippet view", not full view. That is
google has already scanned the book but decided to withhold the full text
from viewers.

Other snippet view only books are 5 weeks in a balloon (U. Michigan),
children of Captain Grant (no source given). Captain Hatteras (Oxford
Universitiy), La Jangada (Univ Michigan), Adventures of 3 russians (no
source given), Mathias Sandorf (Oxford Universitiy), Grand Voyages (Oxford
Universitiy), Road to France, (Oxford Universitiyi), School for Robinsons,
(Oxford University--this one is unusual because it is full view!), Fur
Country (Oxford University),

Yes, there are other books listed no snippet or full view, these may be
books not suitable for scanning, or in inventory waiting to be scanned, just
logged in to the system. We don't know how google works exactly.


nwolcott2~at~post.harvard.edu
----- Original Message -----
From: <rick1walter~at~comcast.net>
To: <jvf~at~Gilead.org.il>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: No Hetzels from Google


> Hi Norm--
>
> Have you enquired as to whether the AGE of the Hetzels might have a
bearing
> on the reluctance of some libraries to have their copies scanned? Many
> institutions would be concerned about the process itself being a possible
> source of damage to their 19th century holdings. This, rather than
> copyright issues, might be the key factor. Have you asked about this?
>
> Best,
> Rick Walter
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: 1001~at~atlanticbb.net
> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:29:04 -0400
> To: jvf~at~Gilead.org.il
> Subject: Re: No Hetzels from Google
>
>
> I don't know how google works, maybe someone elxe out there does. This is
> what I have found.
>
> If you search by author 1860-1930, language French You will get a long
list
> of books. From what I have seen these include almost all the first edition
> Hetzels right up through the Barsac mission. The only one which is Full
View
> is Sans dessus dessous , 1888, the first edition, from Harvard College
> Library. Harvard College was one of the first to "partner" with google, so
> google probably hadn't got their French policies in line by the time that
> one was scanned. If you poke around a bit you can find whether the book
has
> been scanned or not. If you search on "words in this book" and get some
> snippets back, that means the book has been scanned, even though you can't
> see it. Some books come back "no preview" which can either mean they have
> forbidden it or have logged the book iinto their system but decided not to
> scan it. If you search on words in the book from the start you may get
some
> books with "snippet view" allowed. Little snippets of the text you
searched
> on will appear. This means google has full scanned the book, (they have
to
> to respond to your text question and ocr'ed the book) but that you are not
> going to be able to see the text. Most of the Hetzels I found were scanned
> from the Bodleian Library at Oxford who have almost all of the French
> originals..
>
> Since communicaation with google is a one way street (except for reviews I
> leave panning their no view policy on Verne books), I sent the Bodleian an
> "ask the librarian a question" query. I will forward their reply in a
> separate post.
>
> The reply did state that they hope eventually to put links in OLIS to the
> google books, but did not respond to question about full view or not of
non
> copyright works. I did read somewhere that Google adopted a standard
policy
> of 150 years for public domain outside US, but don't know if that is
correct
> or not. I think it is life plus 70 in EU land.
>
> Internet Archive, although much smaller, does not play these games.
>
> nwolcott2~at~post.harvard.edu
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jan Rychlmk" <jan.rychlik~at~seznam.cz>
> To: "Jules Verne Forum" <jvf~at~Gilead.org.il>
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:57 AM
> Subject: Re: No Hetzels from Google
>
>
> > Dear Bill,
> > it is not just the awful Google, Czech nat4l library too seems to have
> problems with reading our copyright law and thus disallows distant access
to
> some of digitalised newspapers or Verne translations from 1870s, even
though
> 1880s items are free to download. Probably the copyright law in continetal
> Europe is constructed the way to be unclear and ambiguous.
> > Jan
> >
> > > ------------ Pyvodnm zprava ------------
> > > Od: wbutcher <wbutcher~at~netvigator.com>
> > > Pxedmlt: Re: No Hetzels from Google
> > > Datum: 21.8.2008 03:57:06
> > > ----------------------------------------
> > > Google caved in to the Peking censorship bullies, now it looks as
though
> > > they're scared of the French copyright hit-squads, however
wrong-headed.
> > > Where will it all stop? Will we be allowed to quote Racine? Or
translate
> the
> > > Koran?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > http://home.netvigator.com/~wbutcher/
> > >
> > > 1A, Kai Kuk Shue Ha, Luk Keng, NT, HONG KONG
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: owner-jvf~at~Gilead.org.il [mailto:owner-jvf~at~Gilead.org.il] On
Behalf
> Of
> > > 1001~at~atlanticbb.net
> > > Sent: 20 August 2008 21:59
> > > To: Jules Verne Forum
> > > Subject: No Hetzels from Google
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Google has digitized many Hetzels from the Univ of Michigan Library,
but
> > > because they were originally published in France they have decided not
> to
> > > display any of them in full text, apparently for copyright reasons.
> > > Curiously this policy does not seem to apply to books published in
> English
> > > in England from the same period.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > nwolcott2~at~post.harvard.edu
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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