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Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT

From: Marie-Helene Huet (mhhuet~at~Princeton.EDU) <mhhuet~at~Princeton.EDU>
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 09:50:57 -0400
To: Jules Verne Forum <jvf~at~gilead.org.il>

As a footnote to Harry's message on earth's internal temperature, here is a quote from Malte-Brun's Geographie physique (which I believe Verne had in his library): "..dans son etat actuel, en supposant [la chaleur] de 1 degre par 25 metres de profondeur, elle serait de plus de 250,000 degres du thermometre centigrade, au centre du spheroide." (1841 edition, p. 488)
Marie-Helene
----- Original Message -----
From: Harry Hayfield <harryhayfield~at~googlemail.com>
Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010 9:13 am
Subject: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT
To: Jules Verne Forum <jvf~at~Gilead.org.il>

> If we are talking about how hot the earth could get in Journey,
> this is how I explained it in 2008 when blogging for Axel
>
> "It is perfectly well known that the internal temperature rises
> one degree for every 70 feet in depth" I said, "now, admitting
> this proportion to be constant, and the radius of the earth being
> fifteen hundred leagues, there must be a temperature of 360,032
> degrees at the centre of the earth. Therefore, all the substances
> that compose the body of this earth must exist there in a state of
> incandescent gas; for the metals that most resist the action of
> heat, gold, and platinum, and the hardest rocks, can never be
> either solid or liquid under such a temperature"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-jvf~at~Gilead.org.il [mailto:owner-jvf~at~Gilead.org.il]On
> Behalf Of Alex Kirstukas
> Sent: 1 August 2010 2:03 pm
> To: Jules Verne Forum
> Subject: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT
>
>
> Pardon my ignorance, but which is correct - 2 million or
> "more than 200,000"?
>
> Alex
>
> --- On Sun, 8/1/10, Volker Dehs <volker.dehs~at~web.de> wrote:
>
>
> From: Volker Dehs <volker.dehs~at~web.de>
> Subject: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT
> To: "Jules Verne Forum" <jvf~at~Gilead.org.il>
> Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 3:41 AM
>
>
> all in-18-editions of Hetzel (with 43 or 45 chapters),
> also the Hachette reprints of this edition, have 2 million degrees.
> gr. in-8° from the beginning to the end (45 ch.): "more
> than two hundred thousand degrees".
> Curiously, the in-8° of 1896 (Succès scolaires) writes
> again 2 millions, so the text must have been taken from the in-18.
>
>
> --
> Volker Dehs, Eisenbahnstr. 9, D-37073 Göttingen.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> Von: Norm Wolcott <nwolcott2ster~at~gmail.com>
> Gesendet: 31.07.2010 22:05:27
> An: Jules Verne Forum <jvf~at~Gilead.org.il>
> Betreff: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT
>
> Which then would be the editions which have 2 million
> degrees in chapter 6 yet still with 45 chapters??--the version
> used by Baldick in 1950 has 2 million degrees, the version used by
> white apparently in 1874 also with 45 chapters and 2 million
> degrees. I have a Hachette version post 1920 which has 2 million
> degrees, 45 chapters, yet otherwise an abridged edition.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 5:19 AM, Volker Dehs
> <volker.dehs~at~web.de> wrote:
>
> Dear Christian,
>
> I'm not sure about this interpretation. For VCT, in-
> 18 was published in 1864. The corrected and augmented gr. in-8°
> came out in 1867; these corrections (the new chapter on
> paleontological facts) were inserted in the in-18 only in the 12th
> ed. of 1872 (edition not changed in the 1880ies but reprinted then
> with a new type-setting). But if Verne inserted the new chapter in
> this edition, he never managed to make minor revisions of the rest
> of the text (linked to the new chapter), so that, in fact, VCT in-
> 18 after 1872 up tu 1914 offers a slightly mixed version of in-18
> of 1864 and gr. in-8° of 1867.
> On the other hand, Hetzel published a fourth and
> neglected version of the novel in the serie "Succès scolaires"
> (1896 and 1903), in-8°, 316 pages. It has never been verified if
> these ultimate edition presents finally a synthetic version (I
> don't think, however, that Verne at this time made any changes).
> Unfortunately, this edition is very rare. But that is a work which
> must be done in the future.
>
> Best,
> Volker
>
>
> --
> Volker Dehs, Eisenbahnstr. 9, D-37073 Göttingen.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Von: "Christian Sánchez" <chvsanchez~at~arnet.com.ar>
> Gesendet: 30.07.2010 10:04:11
> An: Jules Verne Forum <jvf~at~Gilead.org.il>
> Betreff: Re: Differing editions of TM
>
>
> That has to be the explanation for the differences
> found in VCT: Verne corrected the in-18 but not the in-8 (or the
> other way round)!
>
> Regards,
>
> Christian
>
>
> ----- Mensaje original -----
> De: Volker Dehs
> Para: Jules Verne Forum
> Enviado: miércoles, 28 de julio de 2010 6:58
> Asunto: Re: Differing editions of TM
> Indeed, Verne corrected the grand in-8°-version of
> TM AFTER the in-18-version (this was not always the case), but
> never inserted these corrections in the in-18-version. I compared
> the first edition (in-18) of 1873 with the last (the 150th of
> 1913), and the texts are nearly identical. But there are other
> cases where Verne corrected the in-18-version of a novel, but
> never changed the gr. in-8°-version... all variants exist in
> Vernes work, and so finding out the definitive version (or the
> best corrected one) is a hard work for comparatists!
> Best,
> Volker
>
> --
> Volker Dehs, Eisenbahnstr. 9, D-37073 Göttingen.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Von: Alex Kirstukas <infernalnonsense~at~yahoo.com>
> Gesendet: 27.07.2010 18:53:36
> An: Jules Verne Forum <jvf~at~Gilead.org.il>
> Betreff: Differing editions of TM
>
> Hi all,
>
> In researching Le Tour du monde en quatre-
> vingts jours, I've come upon a rather confusing textual problem.
>
> In the 1873 first edition (hereafter
> called "H1873") and the 1884 grand-in-8 edition ("H1884a,") there
> is a conversation running:
>
> — A pied! s'écrièrent tous les voyageurs.
> — Mais à quelle distance est donc cette
> station? demanda l'un d'eux au conducteur.
> — A douze milles, de l'autre côté de la
> rivière. — Douze milles dans la neige!»
> s'écria Stamp W. Proctor.
>
> However, in the 1884 paperback edition
> ("H1884b") and whatever editions the first three English
> translators (G. M. Towle, Steven W. White, and Henry Frith) were
> working from, the same conversation runs:
>
> — Cependant elle n'est qu'à un mille de
> nous, dit un des voyageurs.
> — Un mille, en effet, mais de l'autre côté
> da la rivière.
> — Et cette rivière, ne peut-on la
> traverser en bateau? demanda le colonel.
> — Impossible. Le creek est grossi par les
> pluies. C'est un rapide, et nous serons forcés de faire un détour
> de dix milles au nord pour trouver un gué.»
>
> Also, in Chapter III, Fogg has a line
> running: "Tout de suite. Seulement, je vous préviens que je le
> ferai à vos frais." The second sentence appears in H1884b and the
> three translations, but is missing from H1873 and H1884a.
>
> There appear, then, to be two slightly
> different versions of the book floating around. (They also appear
> to have a few smaller differences, such as when the "W" appears in
> Stamp W. Proctor's name, but I haven't tried looking for all of
> them yet.) Any knowledge of where the different versions came
> from? And why did both continue to be printed simultaneously?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>
>
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