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Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT

From: Lionel Dupuy <lioneldupuy~at~wanadoo.fr>
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 18:00:25 +0200 (CEST)
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Ps : d'ailleurs certaines illustration de VCT sont des adaptations directes des illustrations de l'ouvrage de figuier :
Figuier : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Terre_avant_deluge.jpg
Verne : illustrations 1, 2 et 42 : http://jv.gilead.org.il/rpaul/Voyage%20au%20centre%20de%20la%20terre/
Lionel

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Bonjour,
En fait, la référence de Jules Verne à ces 200 000 degrés vient de sa lecture de l'ouvrage de Figuier, La terre avant le déluge. Ce dernier l'explique aux pages 38 et 39 : http://books.google.fr/books?id=oQIKAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=la+terre+avant+le+d%C3%A9luge&hl=fr&ei=55dVTP6TK4qQjAfPsY3DBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=temp%C3%A9rature&f=false
D'ailleurs tout le Voyage au centre de la Terre est basé sur les théories de Figuier, bien plus que sur la lecture du Malte Brun.
Amicalement, Lionel ;-)




> Message du 01/08/10 15:52
> De : "Marie-Helene Huet (mhhuet~at~Princeton.EDU)"
> A : "Jules Verne Forum"
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> Objet : Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT
>
>
>
> As a footnote to Harry's message on earth's internal temperature, here is a quote from Malte-Brun's Geographie physique (which I believe Verne had in his library): "..dans son etat actuel, en supposant [la chaleur] de 1 degre par 25 metres de profondeur, elle serait de plus de 250,000 degres du thermometre centigrade, au centre du spheroide." (1841 edition, p. 488)
> Marie-Helene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Harry Hayfield
> Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010 9:13 am
> Subject: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT
> To: Jules Verne Forum
>
> > If we are talking about how hot the earth could get in Journey,
> > this is how I explained it in 2008 when blogging for Axel
> >
> > "It is perfectly well known that the internal temperature rises
> > one degree for every 70 feet in depth" I said, "now, admitting
> > this proportion to be constant, and the radius of the earth being
> > fifteen hundred leagues, there must be a temperature of 360,032
> > degrees at the centre of the earth. Therefore, all the substances
> > that compose the body of this earth must exist there in a state of
> > incandescent gas; for the metals that most resist the action of
> > heat, gold, and platinum, and the hardest rocks, can never be
> > either solid or liquid under such a temperature"
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-jvf~at~Gilead.org.il [mailto:owner-jvf~at~Gilead.org.il]On
> > Behalf Of Alex Kirstukas
> > Sent: 1 August 2010 2:03 pm
> > To: Jules Verne Forum
> > Subject: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT
> >
> >
> > Pardon my ignorance, but which is correct - 2 million or
> > "more than 200,000"?
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > --- On Sun, 8/1/10, Volker Dehs wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Volker Dehs
> > Subject: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT
> > To: "Jules Verne Forum"
> > Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 3:41 AM
> >
> >
> > all in-18-editions of Hetzel (with 43 or 45 chapters),
> > also the Hachette reprints of this edition, have 2 million degrees.
> > gr. in-8° from the beginning to the end (45 ch.): "more
> > than two hundred thousand degrees".
> > Curiously, the in-8° of 1896 (Succès scolaires) writes
> > again 2 millions, so the text must have been taken from the in-18.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Volker Dehs, Eisenbahnstr. 9, D-37073 Göttingen.
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > -
> > Von: Norm Wolcott
> > Gesendet: 31.07.2010 22:05:27
> > An: Jules Verne Forum
> > Betreff: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT
> >
> > Which then would be the editions which have 2 million
> > degrees in chapter 6 yet still with 45 chapters??--the version
> > used by Baldick in 1950 has 2 million degrees, the version used by
> > white apparently in 1874 also with 45 chapters and 2 million
> > degrees. I have a Hachette version post 1920 which has 2 million
> > degrees, 45 chapters, yet otherwise an abridged edition.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 5:19 AM, Volker Dehs
> > wrote:
> >
> > Dear Christian,
> >
> > I'm not sure about this interpretation. For VCT, in-
> > 18 was published in 1864. The corrected and augmented gr. in-8°
> > came out in 1867; these corrections (the new chapter on
> > paleontological facts) were inserted in the in-18 only in the 12th
> > ed. of 1872 (edition not changed in the 1880ies but reprinted then
> > with a new type-setting). But if Verne inserted the new chapter in
> > this edition, he never managed to make minor revisions of the rest
> > of the text (linked to the new chapter), so that, in fact, VCT in-
> > 18 after 1872 up tu 1914 offers a slightly mixed version of in-18
> > of 1864 and gr. in-8° of 1867.
> > On the other hand, Hetzel published a fourth and
> > neglected version of the novel in the serie "Succès scolaires"
> > (1896 and 1903), in-8°, 316 pages. It has never been verified if
> > these ultimate edition presents finally a synthetic version (I
> > don't think, however, that Verne at this time made any changes).
> > Unfortunately, this edition is very rare. But that is a work which
> > must be done in the future.
> >
> > Best,
> > Volker
> >
> >
> > --
> > Volker Dehs, Eisenbahnstr. 9, D-37073 Göttingen.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > Von: "Christian Sánchez"
> > Gesendet: 30.07.2010 10:04:11
> > An: Jules Verne Forum
> > Betreff: Re: Differing editions of TM
> >
> >
> > That has to be the explanation for the differences
> > found in VCT: Verne corrected the in-18 but not the in-8 (or the
> > other way round)!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Christian
> >
> >
> > ----- Mensaje original -----
> > De: Volker Dehs
> > Para: Jules Verne Forum
> > Enviado: miércoles, 28 de julio de 2010 6:58
> > Asunto: Re: Differing editions of TM
> > Indeed, Verne corrected the grand in-8°-version of
> > TM AFTER the in-18-version (this was not always the case), but
> > never inserted these corrections in the in-18-version. I compared
> > the first edition (in-18) of 1873 with the last (the 150th of
> > 1913), and the texts are nearly identical. But there are other
> > cases where Verne corrected the in-18-version of a novel, but
> > never changed the gr. in-8°-version... all variants exist in
> > Vernes work, and so finding out the definitive version (or the
> > best corrected one) is a hard work for comparatists!
> > Best,
> > Volker
> >
> > --
> > Volker Dehs, Eisenbahnstr. 9, D-37073 Göttingen.
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------
> > Von: Alex Kirstukas
> > Gesendet: 27.07.2010 18:53:36
> > An: Jules Verne Forum
> > Betreff: Differing editions of TM
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > In researching Le Tour du monde en quatre-
> > vingts jours, I've come upon a rather confusing textual problem.
> >
> > In the 1873 first edition (hereafter
> > called "H1873") and the 1884 grand-in-8 edition ("H1884a,") there
> > is a conversation running:
> >
> > — A pied! s'écrièrent tous les voyageurs.
> > — Mais à quelle distance est donc cette
> > station? demanda l'un d'eux au conducteur.
> > — A douze milles, de l'autre côté de la
> > rivière. — Douze milles dans la neige!»
> > s'écria Stamp W. Proctor.
> >
> > However, in the 1884 paperback edition
> > ("H1884b") and whatever editions the first three English
> > translators (G. M. Towle, Steven W. White, and Henry Frith) were
> > working from, the same conversation runs:
> >
> > — Cependant elle n'est qu'à un mille de
> > nous, dit un des voyageurs.
> > — Un mille, en effet, mais de l'autre côté
> > da la rivière.
> > — Et cette rivière, ne peut-on la
> > traverser en bateau? demanda le colonel.
> > — Impossible. Le creek est grossi par les
> > pluies. C'est un rapide, et nous serons forcés de faire un détour
> > de dix milles au nord pour trouver un gué.»
> >
> > Also, in Chapter III, Fogg has a line
> > running: "Tout de suite. Seulement, je vous préviens que je le
> > ferai à vos frais." The second sentence appears in H1884b and the
> > three translations, but is missing from H1873 and H1884a.
> >
> > There appear, then, to be two slightly
> > different versions of the book floating around. (They also appear
> > to have a few smaller differences, such as when the "W" appears in
> > Stamp W. Proctor's name, but I haven't tried looking for all of
> > them yet.) Any knowledge of where the different versions came
> > from? And why did both continue to be printed simultaneously?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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