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Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT

From: Marie-Helene Huet (mhhuet~at~Princeton.EDU) <mhhuet~at~Princeton.EDU>
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 12:07:58 -0400
To: Jules Verne Forum <jvf~at~gilead.org.il>

Merci, Lionel, pour ces precisions! Marie-Helene

----- Original Message -----
From: Lionel Dupuy <lioneldupuy~at~wanadoo.fr>
Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010 11:57 am
Subject: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT
To: Jules Verne Forum <jvf~at~Gilead.org.il>

> Bonjour,
> En fait, la référence de Jules Verne à ces 200 000 degrés vient de
> sa lecture de l'ouvrage de Figuier, La terre avant le déluge. Ce
> dernier l'explique aux pages 38 et 39 :
> http://books.google.fr/books?id=oQIKAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=la+terre+avant+le+d%C3%A9luge&hl=fr&ei=55dVTP6TK4qQjAfPsY3DBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=temp%C3%A9rature&f=falseD'ailleurs tout le Voyage au centre de la Terre est basé sur les théories de Figuier, bien plus que sur la lecture du Malte Brun.
> Amicalement, Lionel ;-)
>
>
>
>
> > Message du 01/08/10 15:52
> > De : "Marie-Helene Huet (mhhuet~at~Princeton.EDU)"
> > A : "Jules Verne Forum"
> > Copie à :
> > Objet : Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT
> >
> >
> >
> > As a footnote to Harry's message on earth's internal
> temperature, here is a quote from Malte-Brun's Geographie physique
> (which I believe Verne had in his library): "..dans son etat
> actuel, en supposant [la chaleur] de 1 degre par 25 metres de
> profondeur, elle serait de plus de 250,000 degres du thermometre
> centigrade, au centre du spheroide." (1841 edition, p. 488)
> > Marie-Helene
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Harry Hayfield
> > Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010 9:13 am
> > Subject: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT
> > To: Jules Verne Forum
> >
> > > If we are talking about how hot the earth could get in
> Journey,
> > > this is how I explained it in 2008 when blogging for Axel
> > >
> > > "It is perfectly well known that the internal temperature
> rises
> > > one degree for every 70 feet in depth" I said, "now, admitting
> > > this proportion to be constant, and the radius of the earth
> being
> > > fifteen hundred leagues, there must be a temperature of
> 360,032
> > > degrees at the centre of the earth. Therefore, all the
> substances
> > > that compose the body of this earth must exist there in a
> state of
> > > incandescent gas; for the metals that most resist the action
> of
> > > heat, gold, and platinum, and the hardest rocks, can never be
> > > either solid or liquid under such a temperature"
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-jvf~at~Gilead.org.il [mailto:owner-
> jvf~at~Gilead.org.il]On
> > > Behalf Of Alex Kirstukas
> > > Sent: 1 August 2010 2:03 pm
> > > To: Jules Verne Forum
> > > Subject: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT
> > >
> > >
> > > Pardon my ignorance, but which is correct - 2 million or
> > > "more than 200,000"?
> > >
> > > Alex
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 8/1/10, Volker Dehs wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Volker Dehs
> > > Subject: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT
> > > To: "Jules Verne Forum"
> > > Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 3:41 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > all in-18-editions of Hetzel (with 43 or 45 chapters),
> > > also the Hachette reprints of this edition, have 2 million
> degrees.
> > > gr. in-8° from the beginning to the end (45 ch.): "more
> > > than two hundred thousand degrees".
> > > Curiously, the in-8° of 1896 (Succès scolaires) writes
> > > again 2 millions, so the text must have been taken from the in-
> 18.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Volker Dehs, Eisenbahnstr. 9, D-37073 Göttingen.
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> > > -
> > > Von: Norm Wolcott
> > > Gesendet: 31.07.2010 22:05:27
> > > An: Jules Verne Forum
> > > Betreff: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT
> > >
> > > Which then would be the editions which have 2 million
> > > degrees in chapter 6 yet still with 45 chapters??--the version
> > > used by Baldick in 1950 has 2 million degrees, the version
> used by
> > > white apparently in 1874 also with 45 chapters and 2 million
> > > degrees. I have a Hachette version post 1920 which has 2
> million
> > > degrees, 45 chapters, yet otherwise an abridged edition.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 5:19 AM, Volker Dehs
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Christian,
> > >
> > > I'm not sure about this interpretation. For VCT, in-
> > > 18 was published in 1864. The corrected and augmented gr. in-
> 8°
> > > came out in 1867; these corrections (the new chapter on
> > > paleontological facts) were inserted in the in-18 only in the
> 12th
> > > ed. of 1872 (edition not changed in the 1880ies but reprinted
> then
> > > with a new type-setting). But if Verne inserted the new
> chapter in
> > > this edition, he never managed to make minor revisions of the
> rest
> > > of the text (linked to the new chapter), so that, in fact, VCT
> in-
> > > 18 after 1872 up tu 1914 offers a slightly mixed version of in-
> 18
> > > of 1864 and gr. in-8° of 1867.
> > > On the other hand, Hetzel published a fourth and
> > > neglected version of the novel in the serie "Succès scolaires"
> > > (1896 and 1903), in-8°, 316 pages. It has never been verified
> if
> > > these ultimate edition presents finally a synthetic version (I
> > > don't think, however, that Verne at this time made any
> changes).
> > > Unfortunately, this edition is very rare. But that is a work
> which
> > > must be done in the future.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Volker
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Volker Dehs, Eisenbahnstr. 9, D-37073 Göttingen.
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> -
> > > Von: "Christian Sánchez"
> > > Gesendet: 30.07.2010 10:04:11
> > > An: Jules Verne Forum
> > > Betreff: Re: Differing editions of TM
> > >
> > >
> > > That has to be the explanation for the differences
> > > found in VCT: Verne corrected the in-18 but not the in-8 (or
> the
> > > other way round)!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Christian
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Mensaje original -----
> > > De: Volker Dehs
> > > Para: Jules Verne Forum
> > > Enviado: miércoles, 28 de julio de 2010 6:58
> > > Asunto: Re: Differing editions of TM
> > > Indeed, Verne corrected the grand in-8°-version of
> > > TM AFTER the in-18-version (this was not always the case), but
> > > never inserted these corrections in the in-18-version. I
> compared
> > > the first edition (in-18) of 1873 with the last (the 150th of
> > > 1913), and the texts are nearly identical. But there are other
> > > cases where Verne corrected the in-18-version of a novel, but
> > > never changed the gr. in-8°-version... all variants exist in
> > > Vernes work, and so finding out the definitive version (or the
> > > best corrected one) is a hard work for comparatists!
> > > Best,
> > > Volker
> > >
> > > --
> > > Volker Dehs, Eisenbahnstr. 9, D-37073 Göttingen.
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Von: Alex Kirstukas
> > > Gesendet: 27.07.2010 18:53:36
> > > An: Jules Verne Forum
> > > Betreff: Differing editions of TM
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > In researching Le Tour du monde en quatre-
> > > vingts jours, I've come upon a rather confusing textual
> problem.
> > >
> > > In the 1873 first edition (hereafter
> > > called "H1873") and the 1884 grand-in-8 edition ("H1884a,")
> there
> > > is a conversation running:
> > >
> > > — A pied! s'écrièrent tous les voyageurs.
> > > — Mais à quelle distance est donc cette
> > > station? demanda l'un d'eux au conducteur.
> > > — A douze milles, de l'autre côté de la
> > > rivière. — Douze milles dans la neige!»
> > > s'écria Stamp W. Proctor.
> > >
> > > However, in the 1884 paperback edition
> > > ("H1884b") and whatever editions the first three English
> > > translators (G. M. Towle, Steven W. White, and Henry Frith)
> were
> > > working from, the same conversation runs:
> > >
> > > — Cependant elle n'est qu'à un mille de
> > > nous, dit un des voyageurs.
> > > — Un mille, en effet, mais de l'autre côté
> > > da la rivière.
> > > — Et cette rivière, ne peut-on la
> > > traverser en bateau? demanda le colonel.
> > > — Impossible. Le creek est grossi par les
> > > pluies. C'est un rapide, et nous serons forcés de faire un
> détour
> > > de dix milles au nord pour trouver un gué.»
> > >
> > > Also, in Chapter III, Fogg has a line
> > > running: "Tout de suite. Seulement, je vous préviens que je le
> > > ferai à vos frais." The second sentence appears in H1884b and
> the
> > > three translations, but is missing from H1873 and H1884a.
> > >
> > > There appear, then, to be two slightly
> > > different versions of the book floating around. (They also
> appear
> > > to have a few smaller differences, such as when the "W"
> appears in
> > > Stamp W. Proctor's name, but I haven't tried looking for all
> of
> > > them yet.) Any knowledge of where the different versions came
> > > from? And why did both continue to be printed simultaneously?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Alex
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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