Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT

From: Marie-Helene Huet (mhhuet~at~Princeton.EDU) <mhhuet~at~Princeton.EDU>
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 13:54:46 -0400
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Was there ever a project to reconstitute Verne's library, not on paper, but with all the books we know or guess he owned, and in editions he would have likely been able to consult? It would be a long-term project, perhaps, but a terrific resource. Many of these books are on Gallica but not all. Marie-Helene

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From: Volker Dehs <volker.dehs~at~web.de>
Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT
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<td class="mceContentBody " style="DISPLAY: block">It's difficult to say which was the exact source of Verne, because many authors copied each other. Louis Figuier is a very important source, that's right (Bill Butcher published a good article on this problem), but Figuier himself took many informations from Francois Arago's works, (vol. 5: "Des puits forés"; "Astronomie populaire", vol. 2: "De l'intérieur de la Terre"), and the complete works of both authors were in Vernes library. On the other hand, there is "Les Révolutions du globe" by Alexandre Bertrand (7th edition 1863, published by Hetzel) who also indicates "70 feet" (p. 41) per degree. A complementary source is Pierre Boitard, "Paris avant les hommes" (Passard 1861), first published in the years 1830 in "Musée des familles", a very striking book. You see, problems of sources are not less complicated than the different states of the published text... --  Volker Dehs, Eisenbahnstr. 9, D-37073 Göttingen.
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Von: Lionel Dupuy <lioneldupuy~at~wanadoo.fr> Gesendet: 01.08.2010 17:55:53 An: Jules Verne Forum <jvf~at~Gilead.org.il> Betreff: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT Bonjour, En fait, la référence de Jules Verne à ces 200 000 degrés vient de sa lecture de l'ouvrage de Figuier, La terre avant le déluge. Ce dernier l'explique aux pages 38 et 39 : <a href="http://books.google.fr/books?id=oQIKAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=la+terre+avant+le+d%C3%A9luge&hl=fr&ei=55dVTP6TK4qQjAfPsY3DBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=temp%C3%A9rature&f=false" target="1">http://books.google.fr/books?id=oQIKAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=la+terre+avant+le+d%C3%A9luge&hl=fr&ei=55dVTP6TK4qQjAfPsY3DBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=temp%C3%A9rature&f=false</a> D'ailleurs tout le Voyage au centre de la Terre est basé sur les théories de Figuier, bien plus que sur la lecture du Malte Brun. Amicalement, Lionel ;-) 
<blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: #ff0000 2px solid;">> Message du 01/08/10 15:52 > De : "Marie-Helene Huet (mhhuet~at~Princeton.EDU)" > A : "Jules Verne Forum" > Copie à : > Objet : Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT > >
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> As a footnote to Harry's message on earth's internal temperature, here is a quote from Malte-Brun's Geographie physique  (which I believe Verne had in his library): "..dans son etat actuel, en supposant [la chaleur] de 1 degre par 25 metres de profondeur, elle serait de plus de 250,000 degres du thermometre centigrade, au centre du spheroide." (1841 edition, p. 488)
> Marie-Helene > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Harry Hayfield > Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010 9:13 am > Subject: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT > To: Jules Verne Forum > > > If we are talking about how hot the earth could get in Journey, > > this is how I explained it in 2008 when blogging for Axel > > > > "It is perfectly well known that the internal temperature rises > > one degree for every 70 feet in depth" I said, "now, admitting > > this proportion to be constant, and the radius of the earth being > > fifteen hundred leagues, there must be a temperature of 360,032 > > degrees at the centre of the earth. Therefore, all the substances > > that compose the body of this earth must exist there in a state of > > incandescent gas; for the metals that most resist the action of > > heat, gold, and platinum, and the hardest rocks, can never be > > either solid or liquid under such a temperature" > > > >  -----Original Message----- > >  From: owner-jvf~at~Gilead.org.il [mailto:owner-jvf~at~Gilead.org.il]On > > Behalf Of Alex Kirstukas > >  Sent: 1 August 2010 2:03 pm > >  To: Jules Verne Forum > >  Subject: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT > > > > > >        Pardon my ignorance, but which is correct - 2 million or > > "more than 200,000"? > > > >        Alex > > > >        --- On Sun, 8/1/10, Volker Dehs wrote: > > > > > >          From: Volker Dehs > >          Subject: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT > >          To: "Jules Verne Forum" > >          Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 3:41 AM > > > > > >          all in-18-editions of Hetzel (with 43 or 45 chapters), > > also the Hachette reprints of this edition, have 2 million degrees. > >          gr. in-8° from the beginning to the end (45 ch.): "more > > than two hundred thousand degrees". > >          Curiously, the in-8° of 1896 (Succès scolaires) writes > > again 2 millions, so the text must have been taken from the in-18. > > > > > >          -- > >          Volker Dehs, Eisenbahnstr. 9, D-37073 Göttingen. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - > >            Von: Norm Wolcott > >            Gesendet: 31.07.2010 22:05:27 > >            An: Jules Verne Forum > >            Betreff: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT > > > >            Which then would be the editions which have 2 million > > degrees in chapter 6 yet still with 45 chapters??--the version > > used by Baldick in 1950 has 2 million degrees, the version used by > > white apparently in 1874 also with 45 chapters and 2 million > > degrees. I have a Hachette version post 1920 which has 2 million > > degrees, 45 chapters, yet otherwise an abridged edition. > > > > > >            On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 5:19 AM, Volker Dehs > > wrote: > > > >              Dear Christian, > > > >              I'm not sure about this interpretation. For VCT, in- > > 18 was published in 1864. The corrected and augmented gr. in-8° > > came out in 1867; these corrections (the new chapter on > > paleontological facts) were inserted in the in-18 only in the 12th > > ed. of 1872 (edition not changed in the 1880ies but reprinted then > > with a new type-setting). But if Verne inserted the new chapter in > > this edition, he never managed to make minor revisions of the rest > > of the text (linked to the new chapter), so that, in fact, VCT in- > > 18 after 1872 up tu 1914 offers a slightly mixed version of in-18 > > of 1864 and gr. in-8° of 1867. > >              On the other hand, Hetzel published a fourth and > > neglected version of the novel in the serie "Succès scolaires" > > (1896 and 1903), in-8°, 316 pages. It has never been verified if > > these ultimate edition presents finally a synthetic version (I > > don't think, however, that Verne at this time made any changes). > > Unfortunately, this edition is very rare. But that is a work which > > must be done in the future. > > > >              Best, > >              Volker > > > > > >              -- > >              Volker Dehs, Eisenbahnstr. 9, D-37073 Göttingen. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >                Von: "Christian Sánchez" > >                Gesendet: 30.07.2010 10:04:11 > >                An: Jules Verne Forum > >                Betreff: Re: Differing editions of TM > > > > > >                That has to be the explanation for the differences > > found in VCT: Verne corrected the in-18 but not the in-8 (or the > > other way round)! > > > >                Regards, > > > >                Christian > > > > > >                ----- Mensaje original ----- > >                De: Volker Dehs > >                Para: Jules Verne Forum > >                Enviado: miércoles, 28 de julio de 2010 6:58 > >                Asunto: Re: Differing editions of TM > >                Indeed, Verne corrected the grand in-8°-version of > > TM AFTER the in-18-version (this was not always the case), but > > never inserted these corrections in the in-18-version. I compared > > the first edition (in-18) of 1873 with the last (the 150th of > > 1913), and the texts are nearly identical. But there are other > > cases where Verne corrected the in-18-version of a novel, but > > never changed the gr. in-8°-version... all variants exist in > > Vernes work, and so finding out the definitive version (or the > > best corrected one) is a hard work for comparatists! > >                Best, > >                Volker > > > >                -- > >                Volker Dehs, Eisenbahnstr. 9, D-37073 Göttingen. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > >                  Von: Alex Kirstukas > >                  Gesendet: 27.07.2010 18:53:36 > >                  An: Jules Verne Forum > >                  Betreff: Differing editions of TM > > > >                        Hi all, > > > >                        In researching Le Tour du monde en quatre- > > vingts jours, I've come upon a rather confusing textual problem. > > > >                        In the 1873 first edition (hereafter > > called "H1873") and the 1884 grand-in-8 edition ("H1884a,") there > > is a conversation running: > > > >                        — A pied! s'écrièrent tous les voyageurs. > >                        — Mais à quelle distance est donc cette > > station? demanda l'un d'eux au conducteur. > >                        — A douze milles, de l'autre côté de la > > rivière.                        — Douze milles dans la neige!» > > s'écria Stamp W. Proctor. > > > >                        However, in the 1884 paperback edition > > ("H1884b") and whatever editions the first three English > > translators (G. M. Towle, Steven W. White, and Henry Frith) were > > working from, the same conversation runs: > > > >                        — Cependant elle n'est qu'à un mille de > > nous, dit un des voyageurs. > >                        — Un mille, en effet, mais de l'autre côté > > da la rivière. > >                        — Et cette rivière, ne peut-on la > > traverser en bateau? demanda le colonel. > >                        — Impossible. Le creek est grossi par les > > pluies. C'est un rapide, et nous serons forcés de faire un détour > > de dix milles au nord pour trouver un gué.» > > > >                        Also, in Chapter III, Fogg has a line > > running: "Tout de suite. Seulement, je vous préviens que je le > > ferai à vos frais." The second sentence appears in H1884b and the > > three translations, but is missing from H1873 and H1884a. > > > >                        There appear, then, to be two slightly > > different versions of the book floating around. (They also appear > > to have a few smaller differences, such as when the "W" appears in > > Stamp W. Proctor's name, but I haven't tried looking for all of > > them yet.) Any knowledge of where the different versions came > > from? And why did both continue to be printed simultaneously? > > > >                        Thanks, > > > >                        Alex > > > >                       > > > > > >                  > > > >                     > >                      WEB.DE DSL ab 19,99 Euro/Monat. Bis zu 150,- > > Euro Startguthaben und    > >                      50,- Euro Geldprämie inklusive! > > https://freundschaftswerbung.web.de > > > >                > > > >                   > >                    WEB.DE DSL ab 19,99 Euro/Monat. 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