Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT

From: wbutcher <wbutcher~at~netvigator.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 08:33:04 +0800
To: "'Jules Verne Forum'" <jvf~at~gilead.org.il>

Pas que je sache. Et cependant, le premier travail, celui de combiner et de
vérifier les quelques listes d’ouvrages existantes serait chose relativement
simple. A mon avis, il faudrait se montrer prudent, et séparer les livres
que Verne cite, même abondamment, de ceux dont il était propriétaire. Pour
les éditions utilisées, dans certains cas, la situation est nette ; mais
dans le cas typique, il n’existe pas de moyen d’identifier l’édition, sauf
par élimination chronologique. Cette liste synthétique pourrait facilement
comporter des liens aux ouvrages en ligne (où Gallica, à mon regret, s’est
fait dépasser par Google, malgré sa récente suspension francophone,
peut-être temporaire), mais les liens risquent de se modifier assez vite...
Sinon, il faudrait une base de données (que je déteste ce mot) : un simple
fichier des ouvrages.

Bill

http://www.ibiblio.org/julesverne/

1A, Kai Kuk Shue Ha, Luk Keng, North District, NT, HONG KONG

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From: owner-jvf~at~Gilead.org.il [mailto:owner-jvf~at~Gilead.org.il] On Behalf Of
Marie-Helene Huet (mhhuet~at~Princeton.EDU)
Sent: 02 August 2010 01:55
To: Jules Verne Forum
Subject: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT

Was there ever a project to reconstitute Verne's library, not on paper, but
with all the books we know or guess he owned, and in editions he would have
likely been able to consult? It would be a long-term project, perhaps, but a
terrific resource. Many of these books are on Gallica but not all.
Marie-Helene

----- Original Message -----
From: Volker Dehs <volker.dehs~at~web.de>
Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010 12:37 pm
Subject: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT
To: Jules Verne Forum <jvf~at~Gilead.org.il>

<td class="mceContentBody " style="DISPLAY: block">It's difficult to say which was the exact source of
Verne, because many authors copied each other. Louis Figuier is a very
important source, that's right (Bill Butcher published a good article on
this problem), but Figuier himself took many informations from Francois
Arago's works, (vol. 5: "Des puits forés"; "Astronomie populaire",
vol. 2: "De l'intérieur de la Terre"), and the complete works of
both authors were in Vernes library. On the other hand, there is "Les
Révolutions du globe" by Alexandre Bertrand (7th edition 1863,
published by Hetzel) who also indicates "70 feet" (p. 41) per degree. A
complementary source is Pierre Boitard, "Paris avant les hommes" (Pas sard
1861), first published in the years 1830 in "Musée des familles", a
very striking book. You see, problems of sources are not less
complicated than the different states of the published text... --  Volker Dehs, Eisenbahnstr. 9, D-37073 Göttin
gen.
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Von: Lionel Dupuy <lioneldupuy~at~wanadoo.fr> Gesendet: 01.08.2010 17:55:53 An: Jules Verne Forum
<jvf~at~Gilead.org.il> Betreff: Re: Differing editions of TM:
here VCT Bonjour, En fait,
la référence de Jules Verne à ces 200 000 degrés
vient de sa lecture de l'ouvrage de Figuier, La terre avant le
déluge. Ce dernier l'explique aux pages 38 et 39 :
<a
href="http://books.google.fr/books?id=oQIKAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&a
mp;dq=la+terre+avant+le+d%C3%A9luge&hl=fr&ei=55dVTP6TK4qQjAfPsY3DBA&
amp;sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v
=onepage&q=temp%C3%A9rature&f=false" target=" 1">http://books.google.fr/books?id=oQIKAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover
&dq=la+terre+avant+le+d%C3%A9luge&hl=fr&ei=55dVTP6TK4qQjAfPsY3DB
A&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA
#v=onepage&q=temp%C3%A9rature&f=false</a> D'ailleurs tout le Voyage au centre de la Terre
est basé sur les théories de Figuier, bien plus que sur la
lecture du Malte Brun. Amicalement, Lionel ;-) 
<blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: #ff0000
2px solid;">> Message du 01/08/10 15:52 > De : "Marie-Helene Huet
(mhhuet~at~Princeton.EDU)" > A : "Jules Verne Forum" > Copie
à : > Objet : Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT > >
>  
> As a footnote to Harry's message on earth's internal
temperature, here is a quote from Malte-Brun's Geographie physique
 (which I believe Verne had in his library): "..dans son etat
actuel, en supposant [la chaleur] de 1 degre par 25 metres de profondeur,
elle serait de plus de 250,000 degres du thermometre centigrade, au centre
du spheroide." (1841 edition, p. 488)
> Marie-Helene > ----- Original Message ----- > From:
Harry Hayfield > Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010 9:13 am >
Subject: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT > To: Jules Verne
Forum > > > If we are talking about how hot the earth
could get in Journey, > > this is how I explained it in 2008
when blogging for Axel > > > > "It is perfectly well
known that the internal temperature rises > > one degree for
every 70 feet in depth" I said, "now, admitting > > this
proportion to be constant, and the radius of the earth being > >
fifteen hundred leagues, there must be a temperature of 360,032 >
> degrees at the centre of the earth. Therefore, all the sub stances > > that compose the body of this earth must exist there in a state
of > > incandescent gas; for the metals that most resist the
action of > > heat, gold, and platinum, and the hardest rocks,
can never be > > either solid or liquid under such a
temperature" > > > >  -----Original
Message----- > >  From: owner-jvf~at~Gilead.org.il
[mailto:owner-jvf~at~Gilead.org.il]On > > Behalf Of Alex Kirstukas
 > >  Sent: 1 August 2010 2:03 pm > >  To:
Jules Verne Forum > >  Subject: Re: Differing editions of
TM: here VCT > > > > >
>     &n bsp;  Pardon my ignorance, but
which is correct - 2 million or > > "more than 200,000"? > > > >        Alex
 > > > >       
--- On Sun, 8/1/10, Volker Dehs wrote: > > > > > >          From:
Volker Dehs >
>          Subject: Re:
Differing editions of TM: here VCT >
>          To: "Jules Verne
Forum" > >  &
;nbsp;       Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010,
3:41 AM > > > > >
>          all
in-18-editions of Hetzel (with 43 or 45 chapters), > > also the
Hachette reprints of this edition, have 2 million degrees. >
>          gr. in-8°
from the beginning to the end (45 ch.): "more > > than two
hundred thousand degrees". >
>          Curiously, the
in-8° of 1896 (Succès scolaires) writes > > again 2
millions, so the text must have been taken from the in-18. ;> >
 > > >
>          -- >
>          Volker Dehs,
Eisenbahnstr. 9, D-37073 Göttingen. > > > >
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>            Von:
Norm Wolcott >
>           
Gesendet: 31.07.2010 22:05:27 >
>            An:
Jules Ve rne Forum >
>           
Betreff: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT > > >
>            Which
then would be the editions which have 2 million > > degrees in
chapter 6 yet still with 45 chapters??--the version > > used by
Baldick in 1950 has 2 million degrees, the version used by > >
white apparently in 1874 also with 45 chapters and 2 million > >
degrees. I have a Hachette version post 1920 which has 2 million >
> degrees, 45 chapters, yet otherwise an abridged edition. >
> > > > > &n
bsp;          On Fri, Jul 30,
2010 at 5:19 AM, Volker Dehs > > wrote: > > >
>            
  Dear Christian, > > >
>            
  I'm not sure about this interpretation. For VCT, in- > >
18 was published in 1864. The corrected and augmented gr. in-8° > > came out in 1867; these corrections (the new chapter on > > paleontological facts) were inserted in the in-18 only in the
12th > > ed. of 1872 (edition not changed in the 1880ies b ut
reprinted then > > with a new type-setting). But if Verne
inserted the new chapter in > > this edition, he never managed
to make minor revisions of the rest > > of the text (linked to
the new chapter), so that, in fact, VCT in- > > 18 after 1872 up
tu 1914 offers a slightly mixed version of in-18 > > of 1864 and
gr. in-8° of 1867. >
>            
  On the other hand, Hetzel published a fourth and > >
neglected version of the novel in the serie "Succès scolaires" > > (1896 and 1903), in-8°, 316 pages. It has never been
verified if > > these ultimate edition presents finally a
synthetic version (I > > don't think, however, that Verne at
this time made any changes). > > Unfortunately, this edition is
very rare. But that is a work which > > must be done in the
future. > > >
>            
  Best, >
>            
  Volker > > > > >
>            
  -- >
>            
  V olker Dehs, Eisenbahnstr. 9, D-37073 Göttingen. >
> > >
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>            
    Von: "Christian Sánchez" >
>            
    Gesendet: 30.07.2010 10:04:11 >
>            
    An: Jules Verne Forum >
>            
    Betreff: Re: Differing editions of TM > > > > >
>            
    That has to be the explanation for the differences > > found in VCT: Verne corrected the in-18 but not the in-8 (or the
 > > other way round)! > > >
>            
    Regards, > > >
>            
    Christian > > > > &gt ;
>            
    ----- Mensaje original ----- >
>            
    De: Volker Dehs >
>            
    Para: Jules Verne Forum >
>            
    Enviado: miércoles, 28 de julio de 2010 6:58 >
>            
 & nbsp;  Asunto: Re: Differing editions of TM >
>            
    Indeed, Verne corrected the grand in-8°-version of
 > > TM AFTER the in-18-version (this was not always the case),
but > > never inserted these corrections in the in-18-version. I
compared > > the first edition (in-18) of 1873 with the last
(the 150th of > > 1913), and the texts are nearly identical. But
there are other > > cases where Verne corrected the
in-18-version of a novel, but > > never changed the gr.
in-8°-version... all variants exist in > > Vernes work, and
so finding out the definitive version (or the > > best corre
cted one) is a hard work for comparatists! >
>            
    Best, >
>            
    Volker > > >
>            
    -- >
>            
    Volker Dehs, Eisenbahnstr. 9, D-37073 Göttingen. > > > >
-------------------------------------------------------------- >
>            
      Von: Alex Kirstukas >
>            
      Gesendet: 27.07.2010 18:53:36 >
>            
      An: Jules Verne Forum >
>            
      Betreff: Differing editions of TM >
> > >  &
nbsp;           &nbsp
;         Hi all, > >
 >
>            
            In
researching Le Tour du monde en quatre- > > vingts jours, I've
come upon a rather confusing textual problem. > > >
>            
            In the
1873 first edition (hereafter > > called "H1873") and the 1884
grand-in-8 edition ("H1884a,") there > > is a conversation
running: > > >
>            
            — A
pied! s'écrièrent tous les voyageurs. >
>            
            —
Mais à quelle distance est donc cette > > station?
demanda l'un d'eux au conducteur. >
>       &
amp;nbsp;           &
nbsp;    — A douze milles, de l'autre côté
de la > >
rivière.          &
nbsp;           &nbsp
; — Douze milles dans la neige!» > > s'écria
Stamp W. Proctor. > > >
>            
            However,
in the 1884 paperback edition > > (" H1884b") and whatever
editions the first three English > > translators (G. M. Towle,
Steven W. White, and Henry Frith) were > > working from, the
same conversation runs: > > >
>            
            —
Cependant elle n'est qu'à un mille de > > nous, dit un
des voyageurs. >
>            
            —
Un mille, en effet, mais de l'autre côté > & ;gt; da
la rivière. >
>            
            —
Et cette rivière, ne peut-on la > > traverser en bateau?
demanda le colonel. >
>            
            —
Impossible. Le creek est grossi par les > > pluies. C'est un
rapide, et nous serons forcés de faire un détour >
> de dix milles au nord pour trouver un gué.» >
> &g t;
>            
            Also, in
Chapter III, Fogg has a line > > running: "Tout de suite.
Seulement, je vous préviens que je le > > ferai à
vos frais." The second sentence appears in H1884b and the > >
three translations, but is missing from H1873 and H1884a. > >
 >
>            
            There
appear, then, to be two slightly > > different versions of the
book floating around. (The y also appear > > to have a few
smaller differences, such as when the "W" appears in > > Stamp
W. Proctor's name, but I haven't tried looking for all of > >
them yet.) Any knowledge of where the different versions came >
> from? And why did both continue to be printed simultaneously? > > >
>            
            Thanks,
 > > >
>            
            Alex > > >
>            
           > >
 > > >
>            
      > > >
>            
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