Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT

From: Marie-Helene Huet (mhhuet~at~Princeton.EDU) <mhhuet~at~Princeton.EDU>
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 10:30:10 -0400
To: Jules Verne Forum <jvf~at~gilead.org.il>

Oui, je suis d'accord, Bill, la prudence s'impose et la liste de Volker sera extremement utile. Un ensemble des collections de revues auxquelles Verne etait abonne (i.e.Le Tour du monde ) et des livres dont la presence est confirmee par les diverses listes etablies serait une belle acquisition pour La Maison d'Ailleurs, par exemple, ou The Eaton Collection. Un endroit ou un chercheur pourrait consulter tout--ou presque tout-- sur place. Avec un catalogue raisonne, et des precisions sur les editions quand elles sont disponibles. Une utopie sans doute, mais Verne nous y invite aussi. Marie-Helene

Yes, I agree, Bill, one has to be prudent, and Volker's list will be extremely helpful. It would be still be a great project, for the Maison d'Ailleurs perhaps, or the Eaton Collection to acquire the books we know Verne had, or consulted, and the journals to which he suscribed. To have a place where someone doing research on Verne could consult almost everything, in a single place. With the usual precisions, when needed, about editions etc.. An utopia, perhaps, but worthy of Verne. Marie-Helene

----- Original Message -----
From: wbutcher <wbutcher~at~netvigator.com>
Date: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:16 am
Subject: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT
To: 'Jules Verne Forum' <jvf~at~Gilead.org.il>

> Pas que je sache. Et cependant, le premier travail, celui de
> combiner et de
> vérifier les quelques listes d’ouvrages existantes serait chose
> relativementsimple. A mon avis, il faudrait se montrer prudent, et
> séparer les livres
> que Verne cite, même abondamment, de ceux dont il était
> propriétaire. Pour
> les éditions utilisées, dans certains cas, la situation est nette
> ; mais
> dans le cas typique, il n’existe pas de moyen d’identifier
> l’édition, sauf
> par élimination chronologique. Cette liste synthétique pourrait
> facilementcomporter des liens aux ouvrages en ligne (où Gallica, à
> mon regret, s’est
> fait dépasser par Google, malgré sa récente suspension francophone,
> peut-être temporaire), mais les liens risquent de se modifier
> assez vite...
> Sinon, il faudrait une base de données (que je déteste ce mot) :
> un simple
> fichier des ouvrages.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
> http://www.ibiblio.org/julesverne/
>
> 1A, Kai Kuk Shue Ha, Luk Keng, North District, NT, HONG KONG
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-jvf~at~Gilead.org.il [mailto:owner-jvf~at~Gilead.org.il] On
> Behalf Of
> Marie-Helene Huet (mhhuet~at~Princeton.EDU)
> Sent: 02 August 2010 01:55
> To: Jules Verne Forum
> Subject: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT
>
>
>
> Was there ever a project to reconstitute Verne's library, not on
> paper, but
> with all the books we know or guess he owned, and in editions he
> would have
> likely been able to consult? It would be a long-term project,
> perhaps, but a
> terrific resource. Many of these books are on Gallica but not all.
> Marie-Helene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Volker Dehs <volker.dehs~at~web.de>
> Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010 12:37 pm
> Subject: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT
> To: Jules Verne Forum <jvf~at~Gilead.org.il>
>
> <td class="mceContentBody " style="DISPLAY: block"><span
> style="font-size: 9pt;"> verdana,geneva;"><spanstyle="background-color: transparent;"><span
> style="color: #000000;"><span
> style="color: #000000;">It's difficult to say which was the exact
> source of
> Verne, because many authors copied each other. Louis Figuier is a very
> important source, that's right (Bill Butcher published a good
> article on
> this problem), but Figuier himself took many informations from
> FrancoisArago's works, (vol. 5: "Des puits forés";
> "Astronomie populaire",
> vol. 2: "De l'intérieur de la Terre"), and the complete
> works of
> both authors were in Vernes library. On the other hand, there is "Les
> Révolutions du globe" by Alexandre Bertrand (7th edition 1863,
> published by Hetzel) who also indicates "70 feet" (p. 41) per
> degree. A
> complementary source is Pierre Boitard, "Paris avant les hommes"
> (Pas sard
> 1861), first published in the years 1830 in "Musée des
> familles", a
> very striking book. You see, problems of sources are not less
> complicated than the different states of the published text...<br
> /> 9pt;"><spanstyle="font-family: verdana,geneva;"><span
> style="background-color:
> transparent;"> #000000;"> <span
> style="font-size:
> 9pt;"><span
> style="background-color: transparent;"> #000000;"><spanstyle="color: #000000;"> -- <br
> />Volker Dehs, Eisenbahnstr. 9, D-37073 Göttin
> gen.
> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid blue; margin-left: 5px;
> padding-left: 5px; padding-top: 5px;">
> <hr />
> Von: Lionel Dupuy <lioneldupuy~at~wanadoo.fr><br
> />Gesendet: 01.08.2010 17:55:53 An: Jules Verne
> Forum<jvf~at~Gilead.org.il> Betreff: Re: Differing
> editions of TM:
> here VCT Bonjour,<br
> />En fait,
> la référence de Jules Verne à ces 200 000
> degrésvient de sa lecture de l'ouvrage de Figuier,
> La terre avant le
> déluge. Ce dernier l'explique aux pages 38 et 39 :
> <a
> href="http://books.google.fr/books?id=oQIKAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&a
> mp;dq=la+terre+avant+le+d%C3%A9luge&hl=fr&ei=55dVTP6TK4qQjAfPsY3DBA&
> amp;sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v
> =onepage&q=temp%C3%A9rature&f=false" target=" 1"><span
> style="font-size:
> small;">http://books.google.fr/books?id=oQIKAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover
> &dq=la+terre+avant+le+d%C3%A9luge&hl=fr&ei=55dVTP6TK4qQjAfPsY3DB
> A&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA
> #v=onepage&q=temp%C3%A9rature&f=false <span
> style="font-size: small;">D'ailleurs tout le Voyage au centre de
> la Terre
> est basé sur les théories de Figuier, bien plus que
> sur la
> lecture du Malte Brun. Amicalement, Lionel ;-)<br
> /> <br
> /> 
> <blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-
> left: #ff0000
> 2px solid;">> Message du 01/08/10 15:52 > De : "Marie-
> Helene Huet
> (mhhuet~at~Princeton.EDU)" > A : "Jules Verne Forum" <br
> />> Copie
> à : > Objet : Re: Differing editions of TM: here
> VCT > >
> > 
> > As a footnote to Harry's message on earth's internal
> temperature, here is a quote from Malte-Brun's Geographie physique
> (which I believe Verne had in his library): "..dans son etat
> actuel, en supposant [la chaleur] de 1 degre par 25 metres de
> profondeur,elle serait de plus de 250,000 degres du thermometre
> centigrade, au centre
> du spheroide." (1841 edition, p. 488)
> > Marie-Helene > ----- Original Message ----- <br
> />> From:
> Harry Hayfield > Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010 9:13 am <br
> />>Subject: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT >
> To: Jules Verne
> Forum > > > If we are talking about how hot
> the earth
> could get in Journey, > > this is how I explained it
> in 2008
> when blogging for Axel > > > > "It is
> perfectly well
> known that the internal temperature rises > > one
> degree for
> every 70 feet in depth" I said, "now, admitting > > this
> proportion to be constant, and the radius of the earth being <br
> />> >
> fifteen hundred leagues, there must be a temperature of 360,032
> >
> > degrees at the centre of the earth. Therefore, all the sub
> stances <br
> />> > that compose the body of this earth must exist there
> in a state
> of > > incandescent gas; for the metals that most
> resist the
> action of > > heat, gold, and platinum, and the
> hardest rocks,
> can never be > > either solid or liquid under such a
> temperature" > > > > -----Original
> Message----- > > From: owner-jvf~at~Gilead.org.il
> [mailto:owner-jvf~at~Gilead.org.il]On > > Behalf Of Alex
> Kirstukas > > Sent: 1 August 2010 2:03 pm >
> > To:
> Jules Verne Forum > > Subject: Re: Differing editions of
> TM: here VCT > > > > >
> > &n bsp; Pardon my ignorance, but
> which is correct - 2 million or > > "more than
> 200,000"? <br
> />> > > > Alex
> > > > >
> --- On Sun, 8/1/10, Volker Dehs wrote: > > >
> > <br
> />> > From:
> Volker Dehs >
> > Subject: Re:
> Differing editions of TM: here VCT >
> > To: "Jules Verne
> Forum" > > &
> ;nbsp; Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010,
> 3:41 AM > > > > >
> > all
> in-18-editions of Hetzel (with 43 or 45 chapters), > >
> also the
> Hachette reprints of this edition, have 2 million degrees. >
> > gr. in-8°
> from the beginning to the end (45 ch.): "more > > than two
> hundred thousand degrees". >
> > Curiously, the
> in-8° of 1896 (Succès scolaires) writes > >
> again 2
> millions, so the text must have been taken from the in-18. 
> ;> >
> > > >
> > -- >
> > Volker Dehs,
> Eisenbahnstr. 9, D-37073 Göttingen. > > <br
> />> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> <br
> />> > - >
> > Von:
> Norm Wolcott >
> >
> Gesendet: 31.07.2010 22:05:27 >
> > An:
> Jules Ve rne Forum >
> >
> Betreff: Re: Differing editions of TM: here VCT > >
> >
> > Which
> then would be the editions which have 2 million > >
> degrees in
> chapter 6 yet still with 45 chapters??--the version >
> > used by
> Baldick in 1950 has 2 million degrees, the version used by <br
> />> >
> white apparently in 1874 also with 45 chapters and 2 million <br
> />> >
> degrees. I have a Hachette version post 1920 which has 2 million
> >
> > degrees, 45 chapters, yet otherwise an abridged edition. <br
> />>> > > > > &n
> bsp; On Fri, Jul 30,
> 2010 at 5:19 AM, Volker Dehs > > wrote: >
> > <br
> />>
> >
> Dear Christian, > > >
> >
> I'm not sure about this interpretation. For VCT, in- > >
> 18 was published in 1864. The corrected and augmented gr. in-
> 8° <br
> />> > came out in 1867; these corrections (the new chapter
> on <br
> />> > paleontological facts) were inserted in the in-18 only
> in the
> 12th > > ed. of 1872 (edition not changed in the
> 1880ies b ut
> reprinted then > > with a new type-setting). But if Verne
> inserted the new chapter in > > this edition, he never
> managedto make minor revisions of the rest > > of the
> text (linked to
> the new chapter), so that, in fact, VCT in- > > 18
> after 1872 up
> tu 1914 offers a slightly mixed version of in-18 > >
> of 1864 and
> gr. in-8° of 1867. >
> >
> On the other hand, Hetzel published a fourth and > >
> neglected version of the novel in the serie "Succès
> scolaires" <br
> />> > (1896 and 1903), in-8°, 316 pages. It has never been
> verified if > > these ultimate edition presents
> finally a
> synthetic version (I > > don't think, however, that
> Verne at
> this time made any changes). > > Unfortunately, this
> edition is
> very rare. But that is a work which > > must be done
> in the
> future. > > >
> >
> Best, >
> >
> Volker > > > > >
> >
> -- >
> >
> V olker Dehs, Eisenbahnstr. 9, D-37073 Göttingen. >
> > > >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> Von: "Christian Sánchez" >
> >
> Gesendet: 30.07.2010 10:04:11 >
> >
> An: Jules Verne Forum >
> >
> Betreff: Re: Differing editions of TM > > <br
> />> > >
> >
> That has to be the explanation for the differences <br
> />> > found in VCT: Verne corrected the in-18 but not the in-
> 8 (or the
> > > other way round)! > > >
> >
> Regards, > > >
> >
> Christian > > > > &gt ;
> >
> ----- Mensaje original ----- >
> >
> De: Volker Dehs >
> >
> Para: Jules Verne Forum >
> >
> Enviado: miércoles, 28 de julio de 2010 6:58 <br
> />>
> >
> & nbsp; Asunto: Re: Differing editions of TM >
> >
> Indeed, Verne corrected the grand in-8°-version of
> > > TM AFTER the in-18-version (this was not always
> the case),
> but > > never inserted these corrections in the in-18-
> version. I
> compared > > the first edition (in-18) of 1873 with
> the last
> (the 150th of > > 1913), and the texts are nearly
> identical. But
> there are other > > cases where Verne corrected the
> in-18-version of a novel, but > > never changed the gr.
> in-8°-version... all variants exist in > > Vernes
> work, and
> so finding out the definitive version (or the > > best
> corrected one) is a hard work for comparatists! >
> >
> Best, >
> >
> Volker > > >
> >
> -- >
> >
> Volker Dehs, Eisenbahnstr. 9, D-37073 Göttingen. <br
> />> > > >
> -------------------------------------------------------------- <br
> />>>
> Von: Alex Kirstukas >
> >
> Gesendet: 27.07.2010 18:53:36 >
> >
> An: Jules Verne Forum >
> >
> Betreff: Differing editions of TM >
> > > > &
> nbsp; &nbsp
> ; Hi all, > >
> >
> >
> In
> researching Le Tour du monde en quatre- > > vingts
> jours, I've
> come upon a rather confusing textual problem. > > <br
> />>>
> In the
> 1873 first edition (hereafter > > called "H1873") and
> the 1884
> grand-in-8 edition ("H1884a,") there > > is a conversation
> running: > > >
> >
> — A
> pied! s'écrièrent tous les voyageurs. >
> >
> —
> Mais à quelle distance est donc cette > > station?
> demanda l'un d'eux au conducteur. >
> > &
> amp;nbsp; &
> nbsp; — A douze milles, de l'autre côté
> de la > >
> rivière. &
> nbsp; &nbsp
> ; — Douze milles dans la neige!» > >
> s'écriaStamp W. Proctor. > > >
> >
> However,
> in the 1884 paperback edition > > (" H1884b") and whatever
> editions the first three English > > translators (G.
> M. Towle,
> Steven W. White, and Henry Frith) were > > working
> from, the
> same conversation runs: > > >
> >
> —
> Cependant elle n'est qu'à un mille de > > nous,
> dit un
> des voyageurs. >
> >
> —
> Un mille, en effet, mais de l'autre côté > &
> ;gt; da
> la rivière. >
> >
> —
> Et cette rivière, ne peut-on la > > traverser
> en bateau?
> demanda le colonel. >
> >
> —
> Impossible. Le creek est grossi par les > > pluies.
> C'est un
> rapide, et nous serons forcés de faire un détour <br
> />>> de dix milles au nord pour trouver un
> gué.» >
> > &g t;
> >
> Also, in
> Chapter III, Fogg has a line > > running: "Tout de suite.
> Seulement, je vous préviens que je le > > ferai
> àvos frais." The second sentence appears in H1884b and the
> > >
> three translations, but is missing from H1873 and H1884a. <br
> />> >
> >
> >
> There
> appear, then, to be two slightly > > different
> versions of the
> book floating around. (The y also appear > > to have a few
> smaller differences, such as when the "W" appears in >
> > Stamp
> W. Proctor's name, but I haven't tried looking for all of <br
> />> >
> them yet.) Any knowledge of where the different versions came <br
> />>> from? And why did both continue to be printed
> simultaneously? <br
> />> > >
> >
> Thanks,
> > > >
> >
> Alex <br
> / >> > >
> >
> > >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> >
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