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Re: Verne's beloved Scotland

From: wbutcher <wbutcher~at~netvigator.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 09:47:14 +0800
To: "'Jules Verne Forum'" <jvf~at~gilead.org.il>

The relationship between the Scottish and British governments uncannily
parallels that between the Hong Kong and Chinese ones, if only because the
borderline between their respective powers isn't always clear. The Scottish
first minister WANTS to hold a referendum in late 2014, but the UK prime
minister says he can't act unilaterally...

Incidentally, a break-up would presumably mean problems for the term "UK",
describing the union of the kingdoms of Scotland and England.

Actually, a proportion of the nationalist sentiment in Grant is due to
Hetzel's ideas -- see Masataka Ishibashi's judicious study of this question
(in his PhD). I don't think Verne really supported independence for
Scotland.

Alex, your self-deprecating irony just goes to show that often it is the
outside observer who has the clearest view, simply by not being too closely
involved. I watched with some bemusement the debate in this forum about the
US Civil War/War between the States/etc, searching for some general rule as
to when part of a country has the legal or moral right to break away (as
Singapore did soon after independence).

Best wishes

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-jvf~at~Gilead.org.il [mailto:owner-jvf~at~Gilead.org.il] On Behalf Of
Alex Kirstukas
Sent: 14 January 2012 08:22
To: Jules Verne Forum
Subject: Re: Verne's beloved Scotland

Please do, Harry! And pardon whatever American misconceptions I have about
the British electoral process. It wasn't MY idea to break off from the
mother country, you know. :)

All the best,

Alex



On Jan 13, 2012, at 11:37 PM, Harry Hayfield <harryhayfield~at~gmail.com>
wrote:

> May I, as the electoral voice on this forum, explain why that statement
isn't strictly correct (but would like the grace to be able to post on
Sunday, as I am involved with "Me and My Girl" at the moment!)
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Alex Kirstukas" <infernalnonsense~at~yahoo.com>
> To: "Jules Verne Forum" <jvf~at~gilead.org.il>
> Sent: 13/01/2012 23:33:02
> Subject: Verne's beloved Scotland
>> I've just found out that in 2014, Britain will finally hold a
long-awaited referendum on whether Scotland should be independent.
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>> In (yes, you knew this was coming, sorry I keep bringing it up, I love
the book) "Les Enfants du capitaine Grant," which takes place EXACTLY a
century and a half earlier, Verne expounds at length on that very question,
highlighting the need for such a decision.
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>> Verne the Prophet turns up again?
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>> Alex
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Received on Sat 14 Jan 2012 - 03:47:13 IST

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